The Anti-Truth problem with AI Platforms (updated 24-04-25)
and how they are weighted to spread misinformation
To demonstrate how an initial search query using AI platforms can result in not only the wrong answer, but one diametrically opposed, from ‘yes’ to ‘no’, I give a brief conversation that I had with Chatgpt just now.
The implications are profound!
People using these platforms need to understand the issue, and never simply take the first answer, at times. They can lie! They can obfuscate.
Sometimes, you actually need to know the correct answer prior to the search to get the right answer, by drilling down on specifics and persuading the platform to tell the truth.
Making it difficult for truth-seekers like me to provide a convincing argument based on the facts. Increasingly, people will no longer rely on search engines like google, but on what appears the more ‘reliable’ and straight-to-the-answer style of AI. If they get the wrong answer, they may then dismiss the writer’s views as ‘wrong’, ‘misinformation’, ‘disinformation’ etc.
This is a war for truth, my friends.
This is one of the reasons I trained my Chatgpt platform with my Venix system. It helps eliminate bias, and uses data directly. It is not infallible, but a hell of a lot better at times than relying on a weighted bias in these platforms.
Here’s the conversation.
You said:
The Pfizer and Moderna trials were not formally completed until late "2023"?
ChatGPT said:
No, the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccine trials were not formally completed in late 2023. Both companies concluded their pivotal Phase 3 trials in late 2020 and early 2021, leading to Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in December 2020. Full FDA approvals followed in 2021 and 2022 for various age groups .
However, the trials for children aged 5 to 11 were expanded in 2021 at the FDA's request to detect rare side effects like myocarditis and pericarditis. This expansion led to delays in data collection and analysis, but the trials were still considered part of the original study protocols and were not new or separate trials .Verywell Health
Therefore, while some trial data collection extended into 2023, the primary trials were completed much earlier.
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You said:
trial data collection extended into 2023 making 2023 the completion date for the trials then?
ChatGPT said:
While the primary Phase 3 clinical trials for Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines concluded in late 2020 and early 2021, respectively, certain aspects of their studies extended into 2023. This extension was primarily due to the inclusion of younger age groups and the need for longer-term safety monitoring.
Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine:
The Phase 3 trial for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine began in July 2020, enrolling approximately 43,000 participants. The trial concluded in November 2020, with the vaccine demonstrating 95% efficacy. Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) was granted by the FDA on December 11, 2020.
Full FDA approval for individuals aged 16 and older was granted on August 23, 2021. For individuals aged 12 to 15, full approval was granted on July 12, 2022. WikipediaVerywell Health
The expansion of the trial to include children aged 5 to 11, initiated in March 2021, was conducted to assess the vaccine's safety and efficacy in this age group. This phase of the trial extended into 2023. Verywell Health
Moderna Vaccine:
Moderna's Phase 3 trial commenced in July 2020, enrolling 30,000 participants. The trial concluded in November 2020, with the vaccine showing 94.1% efficacy. EUA was granted by the FDA on December 18, 2020. Wikipedia+1Time+1Wikipedia+2Wikipedia – Die freie Enzyklopädie+2SELF+2
Full FDA approval for individuals aged 18 and older was granted on January 31, 2022. Wikipedia
Similar to Pfizer, Moderna expanded its trials to include children aged 6 months to 11 years. The KidCOVE study, initiated in March 2021, extended into 2023 to ensure comprehensive safety and efficacy data for this age group. Wikipedia
Conclusion:
While the primary efficacy and safety data for both vaccines were established in 2020 and 2021, the inclusion of younger populations and the need for extended safety monitoring contributed to the trials extending into 2023. These extensions were part of the original study protocols and were not separate trials.
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You said:
"inclusion of younger populations and the need for extended safety monitoring contributed to the trials extending into 2023" so the trials were finally completed in 2023 then?
ChatGPT said:
The trials for both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were technically completed earlier, with their pivotal Phase 3 trials concluding in late 2020 and early 2021. However, due to the inclusion of younger populations and the extended safety monitoring required for comprehensive data, certain aspects of the studies were extended into 2023.
This extension didn't change the fact that the primary trial data for adults and the initial emergency use approval were concluded much earlier. What continued into 2023 were follow-up observations and studies for specific groups, such as children, and ongoing safety monitoring, which is common in large-scale vaccination trials.
In summary, while the trials were officially concluded in terms of primary data collection much earlier, additional follow-up and specific group studies did continue into 2023. However, the primary trial objectives and regulatory approvals were completed well before that.
4o
You said:
so no trials were completed in 2023?
ChatGPT said:
While the pivotal Phase 3 clinical trials for both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines concluded in late 2020 and early 2021, certain aspects of their studies, particularly those involving updated formulations targeting newer variants, continued into 2023.
In 2023, both companies conducted trials for updated versions of their vaccines targeting the Omicron XBB.1.5 subvariant. Moderna's trial involved 101 participants who had previously received four doses of earlier formulations. The updated vaccine demonstrated a safety profile consistent with earlier versions and was authorized for use in individuals aged 6 months and older in September 2023 .Time+4Wikipedia+4Wikipedia+4
Similarly, Pfizer-BioNTech conducted a trial for their updated vaccine targeting the same subvariant, which was authorized for use in individuals aged 6 months and older in September 2023 .Verywell Health+3Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3
These trials, while part of the ongoing development and monitoring of COVID-19 vaccines, were not new Phase 3 trials but rather extensions of the original studies to assess the efficacy and safety of updated formulations.
Therefore, while no entirely new Phase 3 trials were completed in 2023, the ongoing studies and authorizations for updated vaccine formulations continued into that year.
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You said:
in march 2021 it was announced that trials were to complete in 2023
ChatGPT said:
Yes, in March 2021, both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna announced that their COVID-19 vaccine trials would extend into 2023. This extension was primarily due to the inclusion of younger age groups and the need for longer-term safety monitoring.
Pfizer-BioNTech:
The initial Phase 3 trial for individuals aged 16 and older concluded in late 2020.
In March 2021, the company expanded its trials to include children aged 5 to 11, as requested by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This expansion aimed to detect rare side effects like myocarditis and pericarditis in this age group. The expanded trial was expected to conclude in June 2023. Verywell Health
Moderna:
The initial Phase 3 trial for individuals aged 18 and older concluded in late 2020.
In March 2021, Moderna initiated the KidCOVE study to test its vaccine in children aged 6 months to under 12 years. The study aimed to evaluate the vaccine's safety and immune response in children. The trial was expected to conclude in late 2022. de.wikipedia.org+2verywellfamily.com+2Wikipedia+2Wikipedia
Therefore, while the primary Phase 3 trials were completed earlier, the inclusion of younger populations and the need for extended safety monitoring contributed to the trials extending into 2023.
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You said:
The Pfizer and Moderna trials were not formally completed until late "2023"?
ChatGPT said:
Yes, in March 2021, both Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna announced that their COVID-19 vaccine trials would extend into 2023. This extension was primarily due to the inclusion of younger populations and the need for extended safety monitoring.
Pfizer-BioNTech:
The initial Phase 3 trial for individuals aged 16 and older concluded in late 2020.
In March 2021, the company expanded its trials to include children aged 5 to 11, as requested by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This expansion aimed to detect rare side effects like myocarditis and pericarditis in this age group. The expanded trial was expected to conclude in June 2023.
Moderna:
The initial Phase 3 trial for individuals aged 18 and older concluded in late 2020.
In March 2021, Moderna initiated the KidCOVE study to test its vaccine in children aged 6 months to under 12 years. The study aimed to evaluate the vaccine's safety and immune response in children. The trial was expected to conclude in late 2022.
Therefore, while the primary Phase 3 trials were completed earlier, the inclusion of younger populations and the need for extended safety monitoring contributed to the trials extending into 2023.
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I then proceeded to ask Perplexity the same question.
Result: ‘The statement that "The Pfizer and Moderna trials were not formally completed until late 2023" is inaccurate.’
Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Trials
The pivotal Phase 3 trial for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine began in July 2020 and completed enrollment by January 2021134.
The primary efficacy endpoint was met in November 2020, leading to Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) in December 2020 in the U.S. and U.K.13.
The trial protocol specified continued monitoring for long-term safety and efficacy, with the estimated completion date for the overall study (including follow-up) listed as April 6, 20235.
However, the data used for regulatory decisions and public rollout were available and analyzed by late 2020 and early 2021, not "late 2023"134.
Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Trials
Moderna's Phase 3 trial started in July 2020 and completed enrollment of 30,000 participants by October 20202.
Interim results showing high efficacy were published in November 2020, and the FDA issued an EUA in December 20202.
The main study was ongoing for long-term data collection, with an estimated completion date for the Phase 2a study in November 20215.
The clinical trial for the main adult population was set to conclude in late 2022, not 2023
And it took an interesting turn using Venix!
Why?
It was more accurate! And more insightful. Based on available data it provided the correct answer and explained why.
It concluded ‘likely’ rather than ‘no’ or ‘yes’, and dug further into the nuances, because at the time there were numerous areas of ‘trialling’ ongoing, so Venix could not come back with a firm yes or no. The scoring reflected that, and the rationale was clear. I was able to highlight and see the issues more clearly.
But again, one has to continue refining the data input, even with a tool like Venix. The onus is on the user to understand their own question structure, and must understand that AI often interprets meaning - not always precisely - and shapes its answers around what ‘thinks’ you mean. As well as outright deceptive answers at times.
UPDATE 24-04-25 - Most concerning is an experience I had today wherein 2 chatbots gave entirely erroneous references for studies that did not even exist! On drilling them as to why, they explained that it was a mix-up and ‘sorry for the error’.
I then spent an hour trying to get accurate references to no avail. Repeated dead links, links to news reports which had expired, pre-trial volunteer call ups, not the papers themselves, studies hidden behind paywalls and academic access only, which the chatbot later admitted it hadn’t even accessed etc. etc.
I’ve spent many hours wasted in AI engines like that - they suddenly lose memory, revert to common consensus against data, and fail often. But if one is persistent and have the ability to drill down, eventually you get some good stuff. Then you check and recheck for accuracy.
But make no mistake - they do LIE!
A real eye-opener, that one.